Unofficial Official Transcript from May 26th Chat
05/26/08 – Chat
mkemike says to :Is there hope for solitary players?
jakobscalpel says to :I doubt we'll get open source, but I wouldn't be shocked if we get at least limited access after signing some legal non-disclosure docs
SmokinBats says to :the one that makes a lot of sense to me would be to do an update with all the small things that they were waiting for a major big release but now that they aren't they could do those as a 9D almost
Sphexi28 says to :open source would be sweet, I'd have to dust off my old compiler
timz says to :Somehow I don't think IS is releasing the source code, though we can dream
SmokinBats says to :also the CPS situation- what is it really?
buckshotrod says to :He won't release something he bought
buckshotrod says to :On the cps you are getting straight talk from Jim
SmokinBats says to :I thought it was in beta so a long way to go- but it had some promise
Sphexi28 says to :dmb live wasn't bad, but it doesn't do what I want it to do...yet
SmokinBats says to :exactly
BiggieCohen says to :Someone asked about the DMB Live. I've tried the beta version a couple of times to give it a fair run. It's lacking. It reminded me of WhatIfSports Lite.
SmokinBats says to :but do you think it's got potential?
MT Fire Fighter says to :I didn't care for the DMB live either
BiggieCohen says to :Potential? Only if they make many changes. It is sterile.
Sphexi28 says to :It made me think of a bare bones DMB, which is essentially what it is
mkemike says to :Is there anyone else out there that might approach DMB about licensing the PC version? Is there enough $$$ in it for someone other than IS to pick up?
Sphexi28 says to :the only cool thing was the pics
Bofors says to : 2DBB says "Tell them that I am alive and well and excited as ever that the homebrew opportunities hold for us with or without Dayne."
Old97 says to :I don't see any way they can or would distribute the code on which they are basing their entire future.
MT Fire Fighter says to :Any guesstimates about how much the sale was for????? Or how much revenue is made each year from PC and Online?
mkemike says to :NFC
Sphexi28 says to :I don't think you'll see any of those numbers
SmokinBats says to :yeah not a chance
Sphexi28 says to :I'm sure Dayne knows the numbers, and I'm sure he won't tell us...
MT Fire Fighter says to :How about what the company is worth? Isn't that listed somewhere?
mkemike says to :The thing that confuses me, and I understand people being po'd about giving Dayne any more $$$, but if the current PC users all bolt, that seals the PC game version; dead and gone hasta la vista pelota.
Sphexi28 says to :I agree with that. I'm going to keep using 9.0c until it no longer functions, or I have something better
SmokinBats says to :yeah I'll probably be the same way- or until they stop doing season disks
Sphexi28 says to :luckily, or unluckily I don't think I have a disc later than the mid nineties
Sphexi28 says to :we have all the stats we can handle in the PC game, it's pictures we want
MT Fire Fighter says to :How long have you guys been using DMB? I have been involved since last June
SmokinBats says to :I've been around since Version 4 or 5 I think(whey they moved from PTP to DMB)
timz says to :version 7...1998 or 99
diamondreplays says to :full force for about 2 years...I'm a former BBW'er
SmokinBats says to :it took over for me from MicroLeague
Old97 says to :v7
boba44 says to :just a few months for me, I was a card/dice S-O-M player since the late 60s
SmokinBats says to :I was a statis pro baseball player back in the mid 80's
diamondreplays says to :I'm a solo replayer and planning to stick with DMB...I appreciated Robert and 2DBB comments about the future of season disks...I think the community will fill in where the company fails -- same thing happened with BBW.
buckshotrod says to :I am 54 yrs old and been playing since I was in the cradle.
timz says to :The game engine is the most accurate and I find it invaluable that the event tables are separate from the stats--the stats can be cleared leaving the underlying event tables invisible
MT Fire Fighter says to :Was Ver 4-5 much different?
SmokinBats says to :DOS based for one.....
MT Fire Fighter says to :How was the Company itself?
SmokinBats says to :incredible
timz says to :I'm pretty sure v7 was the big re-write to base the game on actual pitch-by-pitch
SmokinBats says to :v7 and v8 were the huge updates. v7 was pitch by pitch. v8 was the windows. I still remember Carol answering the phone all the time
mtk624 says to :I am curious. How much did you guys spend on the game in the last 1-2 years. I get the impression that a lot of old timers have built libraries of seasons and that the cash flow from disk sales has dropped since '04 when V9 was released. I know I play all the time with disks I bought before then. Last major purchase was the upgrade
Bofors says to :I probably spent $120.
SmokinBats says to :just the season disks. I know I would spend a lot if they upgraded the 70's with the split stuff
buckshotrod says to :That is what I am talking about Smokin
MT Fire Fighter says to :I bought the game and 10 seasons=$300
buckshotrod says to :Give me them 70s
dmbpbp says to :Season disks, a good subject. I've figured out, after 10 years, how to stop the older ones from running hotmtk624 says to :Robert - $120 in two years times the 50-100 persons on this forum wouldn't pay Luke's salary!
buckshotrod says to :There are tons of folks that buy disks that don't even come to this forum
Bofors says to :With the DeathStar, I took at look at the CPS ratings for all the upgraded disks. I expected those seasons to have improvement in those areas. Mostly, they didn' t change.
dmbpbp says to :Robert, I went into the park ratings. If I was getting too many homeruns in the replay, I adjusted each park downward a few percent, then ran a few more autoplays. To my surprise, it worked very well. Did the same to lower other hits.
Bofors says to :If you change the home run ratings you increase the air outs as I think they're labeled in the event tables. You guys have seen what a players event tables look like?
mtk624 says to :Rod - you are right. Luke said 85-90% of the base don't participate in the forums. Still doesn't add up to high cash flow at $50 per person per year.
buckshotrod says to :It does if you are talking several thousand buys though and that is low
dmbpbp says to :Well, if you have too much of something, you HAVE to change it to SOMETHING else to fix it. I'll take air outs over excess home runs anyday
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , Dayne Myers!
KHitt71 says to :I hear the March of the Empire
Dayne Myers says to :Bring it.
KHitt71 says to :Dum dum du dum, dum du dum du du dum....
SmokinBats says to :what's changed since March to now?
Dayne Myers says to :You want an honest answer to that? Be careful - I've had 2 glasses of wine.
SmokinBats says to :yes
KHitt71 says to :Don't try to disarm us with your charm Mr. Myers! or should I say Bond!
buckshotrod says to :so have I and you banned me from IS today because I addressed you on the negativity..really didn't think the post was all that bad. but I do understand believe it or not
purchasearea says to :Dayne, for single-season replayers, didn't you mention some sort of on-line league method of play. Would that work for solitaire play?
ReplayMan says to :Dayne, I'm guessing there's no changing your mind as far as moving forward to a V10. Assuming that's true, I guess I have some questions about when/what we can expect as far as this solitaire on-line version of the game. Starting with, WHEN (and if) we are going to see an on-line version that is at least as playable and functional as V9c. Second, when do you project the solitaire version in some playable form to be ready, and 3) at what price?
Dayne Myers says to :oh, boy. What do I answer first.
SmokinBats says to :difference between March and now maybe?
Dayne Myers says to :Let's talk about March 19 first.
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , dmbluke!
SmokinBats says to :LUKE!!!!!!
Dayne Myers says to :Can you handle the truth?
SmokinBats says to :yes
Dayne Myers says to :(insert Jack Nicholson imitation here)
Old97 says to :Have you given us a chance?
KHitt71 says to :Dayne called for backup!
Dayne Myers says to :Have you give us a chance? seriously? ever?
buckshotrod says to :What????
KHitt71 says to :Seriously... everyone sit back and ask serious questions
Dayne Myers says to :Hardly a week has gone by on this forum without some criticism of us. Within hours... HOURS... of our acquisition of DMB, there were personal attacks here against me.
buckshotrod says to :Yes many have...I stuck my neck out for ya early on along with many others
SmokinBats says to :same here
Dayne Myers says to :When does it end?
ReplayMan says to :Guys, let's let Dayne finish his answer here, then chime in as the need presents....
Dayne Myers says to :You wonder why we never merged the site? Read the forum. You think that helps marketing? When we announced the acquisition, I was stunned by the negativity. STUNNED. Tom reassured me that you all would calm down if we (a) delivered the season and proj disks on time; and (b) did the 9b patch. We did. It didn't help. I even threw some things in there that were meant for v.10, like PBP, for free. As a gesture. It didn't help.
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , dewelar!
KHitt71 says to :So are you saying you are doing this in spite?
Dayne Myers says to :No, not at all.
SmokinBats says to :I think part of that though was that 9b patch came out a good 9 months later than what Tom said during the chat when the acquisition was announced.....
KHitt71 says to :ok.... just wanted to get that straight....
Dayne Myers says to :But at some point, you begin to wonder if anything will ever be enough. So, are we ready to go on?
buckshotrod says to :There were only a selected few that were negative at the start...most were wait and see
Dayne Myers says to :really?
dewelar says to :Indeed. I was "wait and see" all along.
buckshotrod says to :yep
ReplayMan says to :So Dayne, are you saying that the limited few on this Forum that did not agree with the acquisition, or whatever, actually influenced your decision to no longer continue development of the PC game?
dewelar says to :Right up until the announcement. I got yelled at by some for "defending Simnasium" in the process.
Dayne Myers says to :indeed.
buckshotrod says to :I lost a good friend by defending it in the beginning
ReplayMan says to :I imagine a great deal of the brunt was due to 2DBB and his followers, who are no longer around, isn't that right?
purchasearea says to :Understand that a few of us also are IS customers too.
dewelar says to :I felt a lot of loyalty to the DMB brand, and trusted that Tom had placed his trust in someone worthy of it.
Dayne Myers says to :Tom did.
KHitt71 says to :does any of that have to do with now.... yeah, people were jerks... I get it... can we talk DMB PC?
dewelar says to :Unfortunately, I now feel abandoned by that brand, and the loyalty betrayed.
diamondreplays says to :Is there a part of this where "it isn't personal, this is strictly business?" The original question is what happened since March, not since the acquisition.
dewelar says to :Some of that is heat of the moment, I'm sure, but...on the other hand, I will soon have no choice but to abandon DMB in turn.
KHitt71 says to :Biggest question can we count on season disks to be produced and if yes for how long?
FightingGeckos says to :there's a good questions
dewelar says to :My circumstances are somewhat unique, of course.
Dayne Myers says to :Now, that leads us to March 19.
Dayne Myers says to :I started to think, "these guys just don't realize how important online games have always been to DMB". So, I had the chat on 3/19. It seemed to go well.
dewelar says to :I agree. I came out of that chat feeling optimistic as well.
Dayne Myers says to :Here's what changed
dewelar says to :And said nothing about the future from then until now.
Dayne Myers says to :CHANGES SINCE 3/19
Dayne Myers says to :1. Tom confirmed to me that he would not have any time to work on a version 10.
Dayne Myers says to :2. I hired a new marketing person - someone with a tremendous track record. This new marketing VP showed me numbers that clearly showed the advertising of the PC game did not justify the cost. And added, "If we are to achieve the objectives we committed to our investors, I cannot divert any more ad money to the PC game."
Dayne Myers says to :And to your questions, Daniel... we have investors and a board of directors, and I answer to them.
dewelar says to :Why is there a need to divert? Why not advertise both simultaneously?
KHitt71 says to :How much % does Amicus hold?
Dayne Myers says to :none of your business
KHitt71 says to :k
diamondreplays says to :the pc game is advertised? (serious question) where?
purchasearea says to :Did anyone else know about the board of directors? I didn't.
KHitt71 says to :I've known.. I do not know who, just know there was
BiggieCohen says to :yes. The board was mentioned before
KHitt71 says to :The VP was speaking in hypothetical marketing?
FightingGeckos didn't know the game was advertised
Dayne Myers says to :There were ads run in various places.
Dayne Myers says to :the final change since 3/19
Dayne Myers says to :Members of this community started coming to the online game with the same sort of vitriol, negativity, and personal attacks as here.
dewelar says to :I'll rephrase: couldn't the advertising for the PC game be piggybacked onto the advertising for the on-line one? A holistic approach, if you will.
buckshotrod says :My biggest beef was the past seasons were to begin updates many moons ago only to find out thru a chat nothing was going on all the time...
Dayne Myers says to :OK, let's talk about the CPS.
dewelar says to :No answer?
KHitt71 says to :I thought my question brought us to March 19th... ahem season disks and if they will still be done and if yes, how long? best guess?
Dayne Myers says to :WELL... which question do you want answered first, folks?
buckshotrod says to :CPS
dewelar says to :I was just trying to follow the reasoning from the previous answer.
dewelar says to :Will my question be revisited before I go to bed ;-) ?
Dayne Myers says to :sure well, depends on when your bedtime is. ;-)
Daniel Evensen says to :Yeah, well, a lot of people really care about this game.
SmokinBats says to :shows how much we love dmb
Sphexi28 says to :so what's the scoop on CPS?
Dayne Myers says to :CPS seems to be the winner.
SmokinBats says to :I know I've been playing it since v4
Dayne Myers says to :Let's go.
Dayne Myers says to :CPS it is.D
MBDayne says to :First, I had no idea what a CPS was before the acquisition.
Dayne Myers says to :ok, so, I learned what CPS were. Given the sales of them, seemed a low priority. Tom agreed. so, we put our emphasis on 9b and season disks.
buckshotrod says to :Why the big announcement way back when they were being worked on?
Dayne Myers says to :hang on... getting to that
buckshotrod says to :k
Dayne Myers says to :Jim quit - see his post today if you don't believe me. and he was the one to do the CPS. So, with nobody to do them and it being a tiny part of DMB sales, it dropped in priority.
KHitt71 says to :Jim just came in here today telling me and Boling he didn't, oy vey!
Dayne Myers says to :He didn't what?
KHitt71 says to :Just saying Jim is probably saying two things or just changed his mind
Dayne Myers says to :what?
KHitt71 says to :Wheeler was in here earlier today
Dayne Myers says to :Jim didn't what?
KHitt71 says to :said he was still working on stuff......
Dayne Myers says to :Yep. ok, so Jim came back and asked to do some work.
diamondreplays says to :Quote direct from Jim's post today - "First, I have not been fired and I have not quit. I am not an full time employee of Imagine Sports and have not been so since October 2006 when I voluntarily left to pursue another employment opportunity. "
Dayne Myers says to :exactly
purchasearea says to :Can we assume that DMB or IS is a smaller company than many of us realize? Could that be a lot of the problem?
Dayne Myers says to :Jim left for another job in Oct. of '06.
Sphexi28 says to :let's not get hung up on semantics, "voluntarily left" = quit
Dayne Myers says to :it is a small company
KHitt71 says to :So he did leave? (head spinning)
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , 2nd Degree Black Belt!
purchasearea says to :As in, MUCH smaller than, say, Strat-O-Matic, which also is small?
Daniel Evensen says to :The legend arrives ;-)
dewelar says to :From what I read, Jim left, but remained as a consultant for the CPS.
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :Funny, I'm in!
Dayne Myers says to :get out
Daniel Evensen says to :Oh come on, Dayne. He can't do you any more harm
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :Yea, come on Dayne! I was invited to join.
Dayne Myers says to :ha you've got to be kidding.
Dayne Myers says to :well, folks, what shall we do now? You choose who stays.
Sphexi28 says to :look everyone avoid getting personal, we all here for information
Daniel Evensen says to :You know, you could just ignore him and keep talking about Jim
dewelar says to :Personally, as long as 2DBB isn't disruptive, I think he should stay.
FightingGeckos says :look I don't know "who's who" in DMB or this forum...don't know the clicks or the who likes/hates who...all I know is I love DMB and want season disks to continue...could we just get some answers and not all this drama and crap like teenage girls
Daniel Evensen says to :I mean, 2DBB isn't going to choke you with your keyboard or anything
DMB87 says to :Discuss CPS and forget about you and 2DBB going mano y mano
purchasearea says to :I don't really know what's going on. Can everyone just play nice?
BiggieCohen says to :He isn't disrupting anything nor being rude, get on with it. please.
SmokinBats says to :I know I just want information
KHitt71 says to :I want the truth (anyone for the next line)
Daniel Evensen says to :I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :I want to know if Dayne can actually tell the truth. We've heard so many different versions since the acquisition.
FightingGeckos says to :how long will we have season disks?
dewelar says to :Don't poke the bear, 2DBB. That's all we ask.
Dayne Myers says to :no, you haven't. I've always told the truth. I'm happy to explain it all.
buckshotrod says to :Dayne. If all of that is true about the CPS being a low priority after it was announced as getting done then why wasn't it communicated...would have took some of the sting out
Dayne Myers says to :Rod, you need to wait to hear the whole story. I'm not up to that point yet.
Dayne Myers says to :2DBB... is that really you? Prove it.
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :You banned me for allegedly posting titty pictures.
Daniel Evensen says to :Tell me what countries you recently visited
Daniel Evensen says to :I can vouch
DMB87 says to :Just get to your point, Dayne!!!
Dayne Myers says to :oh, c'mon. Everyone knows that.
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :I was in North Korea on Saturday.
Daniel Evensen says to :Yep. It's him
buckshotrod says to :I am just asking Dayne...I am only getting 4 hrs of sleep the way it is and don't feel like listening to the drama hell I could call u tomorrow
KHitt71 says to :2DBB is a commie!
dmbluke says to :the Manchurian Gamer
Dayne Myers says to :Daniel, how can you vouch for him?
FightingGeckos says to :how long will we have season disks?
Daniel Evensen says to :I've had personal correspondence with him. But enough with that
BiggieCohen says to :Exactly Buckshot. Dayne has gone on record a number of times and not delivered and it is frustrating. I don't know if I'm being lied to or if he speaks before thinking.
Dayne Myers says to :No. Not enough with that.
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :I saw in Busan, South Korea where they sell dogs, the eating kind. I even have pictures!
2nd Degree Black Belt says to :Is Bofors on here?
Daniel Evensen says to :I don't see Robert on here
SmokinBats says to :he left 30-45 minutes ago
FightingGeckos says to :how long will we have season disks?
*** :2nd Degree Black Belt was kicked out by Dayne Myers!
Dayne Myers says to :boy, that was fun
Daniel Evensen says to :Well, this is getting ugly
BiggieCohen says to :Like this quote from GameSpot magazine.
GS:What's the status of the next PC Diamond Mind? When can we expect that?
DM:we're still planning that out. We're always looking to improve it. The one thing I think that we can do is improve the look and feel. There's been a lot of changes, as I'm sure you're aware, over the years in graphics. So that's one thing we're looking at, but we're kind of hampered by the fact that when the code was written. So we're looking at options to how we do that most
Dayne Myers says to :Gee, Daniel. Guess why?
buckshotrod says to :must have been fun this am too
SmokinBats says to :moving along
purchasearea says to :Great, whatever. Can we get back on topic?
*** :Daniel Evensen was kicked out by Dayne Myers!
Dayne Myers says to :Ok, let's get back to business.
Dayne Myers says to :CPS upgrades.
dewelar says to :Oh, fer cryin' out loud...
Dayne Myers says to :So, after Jim came back and asked if he could help, we put him on season and projection disks. When that was done, I thought we could get some goodwill with you all by doing CPS. Jim and I cut a deal in March to do the CPS upgrades.
buckshotrod says to : You jumped ahead in time
Dayne Myers says to :OK, so in March, Jim and I did a deal for CPS. with me?
BiggieCohen says to :sigh
DMB87 says to :Oh brother!!!
buckshotrod says to :march of what year 2007?
Dayne Myers says to :'08
Dayne Myers says to :Jim wasn't working for us again until late '07
purchasearea says to :Got it.
Dayne Myers says to :Jim gave me a list of DMB tools he'd need. I passed that on to Luke, who was the one to do them. However, I was tardy in doing so. I simply forgot.
buckshotrod says to :ok then back to my original question why wasn't it made public it was a low priority instead of leaving us out here thinking it was being worked on?
Dayne Myers says to :So, it was a couple weeks before Luke got the list.
Dayne Myers says to :Rod, you're getting the timing out of order.
buckshotrod says to :I haven't had that much to drink
SmokinBats says to :so Luke got the list Middle of April?
Dayne Myers says to :It started in March '08. I don't believe I said it was being worked on before 3/08.
buckshotrod says to :there was an announcement made on this last year
Dayne Myers says to :I don't recall that.
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , Daniel Evensen!
*** :Daniel Evensen was kicked out by Dayne Myers!
buckshotrod says to :there was a either a chat on it or posted in the forum..can anyone confirm that
Dayne Myers says to :If so, I'd like to see it.
buckshotrod says to :yuku was not around then
dewelar says to :Rod, are you sure you're not confusing it with the work on pre-27 teams?
Dayne Myers says to :Then I can either explain or apologize for not updating you.
buckshotrod says to :besides I don't sit around and dream this stuff up. Dayne Myers says to :But I honestly don't remember anything promised on CPS in '07. that was the heart of my post on IS this am for what it is worth
dewelar says to :I remember the announcement that pre-27 was being worked on for release...not sure about CPS.
buckshotrod says to :u could sense that end of it ticks me off or did
dewelar says to :But I don't save announcements. me guesses everyone else is combing their e-mail for evidence right now.
Dayne Myers says to :ok, rod... if you can show me what we announced/posted/stated on CPS '07, I'll address it. Until then, I honestly cannot remember saying anything about CPS. If I can read it, maybe it will jog my memory.
Dayne Myers says to :moving on...
purchasearea says to :Don't want to jump the gun if the previous question is still being answered. But if Tom isn't around to update the game, how will the online game progress? How will replayers be served by the online game? Or will that be some time down the road?
Dayne Myers says to :all great questions. let me finish the CPS question first, ok?
purchasearea says to :OK
ReplayMan says to :go for it
Dayne Myers says to :So, in April, Luke started working on getting Jim the tools he needed for CPS.
SmokinBats says to :found it- chat 8/29/07
Dayne Myers says to :go for it. post it
*** :Welcome to DMB Live Chat , 2nd Degree Black Belt!
*** :2nd Degree Black Belt was kicked out by Dayne Myers!
Dayne Myers says to :oh, what fun this is.
KHitt71 says to: Dayne, you may want to see if there is a BAN feature so you don't have to keep doing that
SmokinBats says to :I just replied to it
ReplayMan says to :I'm laughing...
Dayne Myers says to :There is a ban feature, but somehow he has gotten around it.
KHitt71 says to :Man, I have soooooooooooo many questions.. all regards to my online leagues... we close to those questions yet?
Dayne Myers says to :It's more fun to keep kicking him out.
SmokinBats says to : Dayne Myers Also, we plan to do all seasons going back to 1901.
KHitt71 says to :Ok, season disks...... 08 and beyond or just 08?
FightingGeckos says to :wow what a great question KHitt
Maddog says to :The future of season disks are top on my list too
dewelar says to :That's what I remembered, Bats.
Dayne Myers says to :OK, I read the chat. Is there anywhere in there where I said we would do CPS? Answer.
dewelar says to :Technically, those ARE CPS, though.
Dayne Myers says to :The discussion of CPS was after I left the chat.
SmokinBats says to : dmbluke there are three classes of seasons to work 1901-1926, 1927-1956, and 1957-1977
Dayne Myers says to :So, am I a liar?
KHitt71 says to :Semantics
Dayne Myers says to :geez
dewelar says to :Unless you're saying the intention was to make the '01-'26 DPS from the get-go.
KHitt71 says to :Can we discuss that, the liar accusations?
Dayne Myers says to :why not?
KHitt71 says to :Dayne, I understand both sides... can you see why people would think they way they do after what was said on March 19th?
Dayne Myers says to :oh, wait... let's finish the CPS.
KHitt71 says to :ok, CPS
Dayne Myers says to :I already addressed the March 19 issue. 3 things changed.
Dayne Myers says to :CPS...
Dayne Myers says to :so, Luke sent the tools to Jim. He thought he sent all that Jim needed, but there was a misunderstanding between the two of them. :So, Jim is still waiting for something, Luke is thinking he sent everything. It went that way until Jim's response in the chat the other day. I'm assuming they're being worked on, Luke is too.
FightingGeckos says to :and they never communicated with each other?
Dayne Myers says to :no.
FightingGeckos says to :and their supervisor is ?
DMB87 says to :the manager should have been suspended!!!
Dayne Myers says to :Well, Luke has a lot on his plate.
KHitt71 says to :Ok so now we have the history, what is more important now is what is the future?
purchasearea says to :I really wish I could stick around long enough to get to a discussion about the online replay feature but I don't see it happening. If the game can be improved and played online I think we could have something really good. Dayne Myers says to :So, once I heard that Jim wasn't working on it, I called Jim and got things straightened out.
Dayne Myers says to :He and Luke synched up, and now things are going again.
Dayne Myers says to :purchasearea...I'll tackle your questions.
DMB87 says to :Has there been communication regarding just what order of seasons to be upgraded to CPS, and if so, can you share that information
Dayne Myers says to :no, we are having a conf call on that tomorrow. I have left it to Jim to determine that, frankly.
KHitt71 says to :Ok, so we can confirm that CPS updates will continue... for the PC version or does it matter because you'll use the CPS updates for both?
Dayne Myers says to :He recommended finishing 1949 first, since it's so close, then 70s stuff.
DMB87 says to :Will he be at liberty to discuss or to Poll DMBers?
SmokinBats says to :will 70's be updated with left/right splits?
Dayne Myers says to :He suggested polling DMBers, actually.
Dayne Myers says to :yes, LH/RH splits.
SmokinBats says to :any idea of timeframe?
KHitt71 says to :the CPS works for both versions?
Dayne Myers says to :No, CPS is only for the PC game now. Someday the online game, but we're not there yet. sorry
KHitt71 says to :can you use Jim's info to update the online game as well? Jim is not a fulltime employee correct?
Dayne Myers says to :purchasearea asked if we'd improve the online game, but I can't remember his questions.
purchasearea says to :Will there be an online equivalent to Version 10? If no Tom, how?
purchasearea says to :... and when can we expect this, the ability to do solitaire replays, that is?
KHitt71 says to :when we get a chance, I'd love to talk about the online game... but first things first
Dayne Myers says to :Khitt... we will do season disks.
KHitt71 says to :Ok.....season disks are a go, got it
Dayne Myers says to :Didn't the announcement say so?
KHitt71 says to :Yes it did Dayne, but with the qualification of being financially viable
FightingGeckos says to :well the announcement made it sound like the season disks had a short future
Dayne Myers says to :The disks are no significant extra cost for us. We're putting them in both games. As long as the online game exists, it makes sense to do the season disks... to a point.
NumberOneDMBFan says to :To a point? Could you expand on that?
KHitt71 says to :My suggestion is to go to an all digital download for the season disks to save money
Possums says to :I think its the last part of your statement that makes people anxious
Dayne Myers says to :I made that "financially viable" comment because there are some who are producing homebrew disks, plus others I figured would stop purchasing if no version 10.
Dayne Myers says to :Look, if sales drop dramatically, it makes no sense to keep doing them.We're not a charity.
KHitt71 says to :people want the authentic deal, if you make the season disks, people with version 9 will purchase them
Dayne Myers says to :And if people keep purchasing them, we will sell them.
Maddog says to :Does that mean that the season disks would stop being offered to force us into the online arena of DMB?
Dayne Myers says to :NO
FightingGeckos says to :the leagues will continue as long as you have season disks.
purchasearea says to :Guys, don't mean to be rude, but you're all talking about V.9. I'm under the impression that the DMB engine may be improved and advanced online, the V. 10 we've wanted. That's the answer I've been after
buckshotrod says to :If you build it they will come
Dayne Myers says to :In the announcement, I made the point to say that we will NOT force you into the online game.
KHitt71 says to :Purchase, version 10 is on hiatus....there is no version 10 being worked on currently in his statement
Dayne Myers says to :there are some small changes we can make
purchasearea says to :Not even online?
Dayne Myers says to :to the sim engine
Dayne Myers says to :yes, online. maybe PC, too. but I guess it all depends on how you define a new "version".
SmokinBats says to :how about my idea of a 9d patch with the smaller fixes that maybe were being waited to put in until v10? is that a possibility?
Dayne Myers says to :purchase... send your questions to me via sitemail if I don't get to them before you need to leave. I owe you an answer.
KHitt71 says to :Do you see the PC game and the Online game as competing ventures?
Possums says to :you're better off saying no to that one Dayne
purchasearea says to :I was under the impression that the game could be improved, but only online. Not immediately, but in a year or so. Also, solitaire replays would be possible sooner online. True?
Dayne Myers says to :We will enable solitaire play online, yes. And, I think we can do it at an affordable price for you. But we won't force you to do it.
Sphexi28 says to :is there a rough timeframe for that ?
Dayne Myers says to :I'm not sure, frankly. We're still trying to figure out everything we need to put into the online game for that. You can help us, if you want.
KHitt71 says to :Ok, the only answer we needed was that he will add the solitaire game, good enough
Dayne Myers says to :All season disks are going into the online game this year.
purchasearea says to :People have mentioned better graphics. Is that something that we can expect online in the near future, maybe within a year?
dewelar says to :If this is going to turn into a discussion of the on-line game, I will drop out now, once my question from earlier is answered.
Sphexi28 says to :not to downplay the DMB live beta, but it has a long way to go before it even equals the PC game
Dayne Myers says to :graphics is something we can do in the online game without Tom's help.
Dayne Myers says to :Sphexi - tell us what it needs.
purchasearea says to :I'll be willing to help if you can give me an idea what you're looking for.
KHitt71 says to :Can we be honest here, Tom seems to be nothing more than tech support... does that ring true?
Dayne Myers says to :no. With what time we have of Tom's, I want him focused on "the next thing". by that, I mean really new stuff.
dmbpbp says to :One thing I would really like to see in DMB Live is the utilization of my whole 24" monitor. A larger game screen, much easier access to more stats while in-game, etc. I've been told by Luke that this is part of the plan, but I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Dayne Myers says to :That is coming in the next version of DMB live. And, you'll be able to customize your layout. And your colors.
purchasearea says to :When, when, when?
Sphexi28 says to :maybe its the "familiar"ness with the PC game, but I found the interface clunky (and yes I know it's a beta)
Dayne Myers says to :It is clunky, I agree.
dewelar says to :The one thing my wife and I want for most the PC game, comes to the on-line game instead. Figures.
KHitt71 says to :Ok recapping CPS seasons will be done when Jim gets them done. he and Luke have hashed out their communication problems.
SmokinBats says to :will DMB Live have actual teams on it soon? not all star teams?
Dayne Myers says to :yes, Bats.
dewelar says to :Bah.
belteddeep says to :Will there be an encyclopedia type function in the online version? If so, is there any chance of it tying into previous seasons we have played with the PC version?
KHitt71 says to :Dayne, the big uproar was over the perception of how this whole thing was handled, would you agree?
Dayne Myers says to :Khitt... perhaps.
SmokinBats says to :I just opened a dmb live game..... one thing that is missing to me is any stats showing on the game. Are they going to be included in the next version?
Sphexi28 says to :what are the plans for a patch(es)?
Maddog says to :good question belteddeep....I would be curious about an on going migration function for a league. Especially if it could have a sweet report section like some of the websites I have seen with the current stand alone version
Dayne Myers says to :No plans yet. Luke and I are discussing.
KHitt71 says to :and just so you know.. I use my name so there is no misunderstanding.. Kevin Hitt, google it.
Dayne Myers says to :ok, encyclopedias...
Sphexi28 says to :but is it likely we will see at least one patch fixing the "minor" issues?
Dayne Myers says to :absolutely
Sphexi28 says to :sorry, encyclopedias
Dayne Myers says to :We must fix the sac fly problem.
Sphexi28 says to :and catchers fatigue, my personal grief
Dayne Myers says to :guys, I'm running out of time. I have a fiancé' who won't let me keep typing much longer.
Possums says to :for PC players who are not interested in the online (at this point at least) would resources be devoted to fixing the engine if there was another problem running DMB similar to the issue caused by Vista? I know the engine is really just one engine, but there would have to be different work done to make it PC compatible.
belteddeep says to :Dayne, can you address the encyclopedia question before finishing?
Possums says to :or is that too far in the future to guess
Dayne Myers says to :ok, encyclopedias. then possums question. I must admit that I am not too familiar with the encyclopedia function in the PC game. Our goal is to allow you to save all league and player info in an online league. or solo play. Does that answer the question?
belteddeep says to :A little...
Dayne Myers says to :or could you be more specific, belted?
belteddeep says to :Some of us have multiple seasons that are loaded into the encyclopedia so you see a history and career leaders, records,...I'd like to see this in the online play, but...
dmbluke says to :from a technical point of view, we should be able to do something with existing encyclopedias but that's a ways off
belteddeep says to :would also like to be able to tie in the 10+ seasons I have already played via PC
mtk624 says to :Would a joint advertising campaign for both the PC game and the online game be feasible? (dewelar's question).
Dayne Myers says to :belted... we do want to do that, yes. In fact, I want it myself, as do online customers. We will definitely do it
SmokinBats says to :Is part of the problems with revenue the fact that there hasn't been a new product outside of season/projection disks since the acquisition?
Dayne Myers says to :No, bats.
FightingGeckos says to :Dayne is it your impression or hope that most PC players will go to the online game?
Dayne Myers says to :It is our hope, yes.
FightingGeckos says to :because?
KHitt71 says to :I have so many ideas for the online game to make it appeal to a lot of people
Dayne Myers says to :The online game is simply easier to maintain, grow, and develop.
KHitt71 says to :All you need is a room for the servers and a programmer or two and whammo!
FightingGeckos says to :so long term then would be to faze out the pc disks
Dayne Myers says to :It is also MUCH easier to get someone to try an online game than to download a software package. MUCH, MUCH easier.
Sphexi28 says to :that is very true
Dayne Myers says to :Do you see what Google is doing?
Dayne Myers says to :They are going right at Microsoft.
Dayne Myers says to :Are they selling disks?
SmokinBats says to :only thing I could see being a negative is when you're flying and offline
Dayne Myers says to :true
FightingGeckos says to :so long term then would be to faze out the pc disks
Dayne Myers says to :yes, for new customers.
KHitt71 says to :Dayne....could you create revenue for a version ten with advertisements like other games do? like yahoo and their fantasy sports?
Sphexi28 says to :one key for the online game, will be the ability to customize
Dayne Myers says to :but, again, it is not.... NOT... again, NOT our intention to force you all to convert. It's either worth it to you or it's not.
SmokinBats says to :I think you hit it right on the head there Sphexi28
Dayne Myers says to :Sphexi... that is the sort of feedback we need.
FightingGeckos says to :but if there is no PC disk we have no choice but to convert
Sphexi28 says to :both the UI (colors and such as mentioned) and being able to change a player or add a player
Possums says to :he keeps saying there will be a disk
Sphexi28 says to :one of the things many of us are worried about is the ability to "What if" as season replay
FightingGeckos says to :not for new customers
Dayne Myers says to :no,Geckos.... I'm talking about the primary software, not season disks.
FightingGeckos says to :ahh ok, just want to be clear
KHitt71 says to :why cant the disk be packages with some sort of online deal for people that want to play in a league?
Sphexi28 says to :if the "online" game doesn't allow that , it stops being the great simulation tool that it is
shoe66 says to :Dayne, what about the question of open-sourcing the DMB game engine or simply selling it, as is, to someone?
SmokinBats says to :now do all the online games have the mlb logos?
Possums says to :brings up an interesting point though. so what will be removed from the marketplace is the engine at some point? or will V9 always be available?
FightingGeckos says to :so then we wait until our own future operating systems no longer run 9c and then we all have to go to online since there wont be new primary software
Sphexi28 says to :I think what Dayne is saying is that things will be available while a reasonable number of people still want to buy them
Possums says to :that involves my question earlier about vista gecko
Sphexi28 says to :unfortunately, with new OS's you won't know the extent of the changes necessary, until it stops working
Possums says to :whether they would devote resources to fix a new OS to match V9
Sphexi28 says to :and even then you may have to dig a little
Possums says to :they handled the Vista issue well
KHitt71 says to :Man cant we just call it like it is, someday the home game will not be viable. and that's not anyone's fault
timz says to :There should be low-cost alternatives available to allow you to run 9c for a long time, even if it means buying a cheap used machine with XP or Vista on it
Possums says to :but why say that kevin? its not necessarily true
Sphexi28 says to :look people are still finding ways to run BBW, when was the last version produces?
FightingGeckos says to :yes it is true
Possums says to :he hasn't said that
KHitt71 says to : we are a dying breed my friend...
FightingGeckos says to :the pc game will be fazed out....so we all have to pay monthly fees for an online game
Maddog says to :If the online game could offer me the same features of the stand-alone, take away the possibility of cheating, add new bells and whistles through the new joint ventures with other companies, I would be more than happy to move online for league play at a reasonable rate.
Dayne Myers says to :Geckos... please stop it.
FightingGeckos says to :stop what?
Possums says to :if the next OS comes in lets say 5 years and V9 is not compatible, will DMB fix like they did Vista or not? everyone is assuming not, but since the engines are basically the same, the work to fix v9 might not be as extensive as we think
Sphexi28 says to :the trouble will be determining "the reasonable rate", what's reasonable for some may not be for others
shoe66 says to :The viability and compatibility issues could be addressed by open-sourcing the DMB game engine or selling it in its current, "last" version form.
Dayne Myers says to :WE ARE NOT PHASING OUT THE PC GAME.
Maddog says to :I am already paying 30 a year.....so a slight increase over that would be fine for me and the leagues I am in...although...the issue would be playing in multiple leagues. As of now, I can use the one season disk to play in as many as I want
Dayne Myers says to :We are still selling disks and doing patches.
Possums says to :it seems they are trying to force you into saying that Dayne
FightingGeckos says to :well there we have it......I am a happy man....I will be a life long customer as long as those words ring true.
Maddog says to :Didn't mean that you would phase out, if that was meant towards me, I would relish less work from a Commish stand point and constantly having to update my league members with new DBs or opening ports to link H2H
Possums says to :the issue of future compatibility with v9 and a new OS will be when it is decision time I would think.
Dayne Myers says to :yes, possums. I can't make any promises about that day.
SmokinBats says to :and with xp maybe having a comeback who knows
KHitt71 says to :so 2010 is a good bet for some sort of decision
Possums says to :but V9 will be available for sale to new customers, along with the season disks for however long people want to buy them, correct?
jakobscalpel says to :Would now be a good time to ask about community development options or has that been covered already ??
NumberOneDMBFan says to :I'm with Geko. I was afraid that any disk I bought today would be obsolete in a year or two.
Sphexi28 says to :maybe we could simply convince Microsoft to make a decent one.
dmbluke says to :maddog - going online will be a no-brainer for leagues once all the tools and capabilities are in place
KHitt71 says to :2010 being Vista upgraded
shoe66 says to :Luke...and when exactly will that day be?
Possums says to :vista could put a patch out tomorrow that would screw with all the work Luke already did.
KHitt71 says to : true....
Maddog says to :Not meant towards Dayne, anyone can answer, since I am not familiar with the online game...but what is the going rate for playing out a season?
Dayne Myers says to :We don't have the capability to "play out a season" in the online game yet.
dmbluke says to :shoe66 - I only work on the game engine on the online game but those engineers have been adding feature rapidly
KHitt71 says to :That my next thing.. our league wants to mimic the mlb season and not play all our games in 9 weeks
Dayne Myers says to :That is in testing now.
KHitt71 says to :as we have always done
Sphexi28 says to :that is a good question, could programming hooks be added in a patch that make it easier to link user created tools into the game data?
Dayne Myers says to :Kevin - that is what is in testing now. Play at your own pace.
KHitt71 says to :Excellent, if you need a test dummy let me know
Dayne Myers says to :email Pat and tell her you want to help test.
SmokinBats says to :are you looking for testers for dmb live???
Dayne Myers says to :yes
Maddog says to :any ideas on what the rate would be for a season playout? per member of the league?
Dayne Myers says to :no, but you can have input on that, too.
KHitt71 says to :I get 2 gig of bandwith for 9 a month. :how much bandwith does one game take? Times 162? times schedule?
Dayne Myers says to :I have no idea. I am not a techie. or a programmer. Though I may do the season disk if you guys aren't nice to me. LOL
KHitt71 says to :Ok Dayne... let me see if I am close here so I can write this down. The PC game is not dead. CPS seasons will still be completed at Wheelers pace. Season disks will still be ,produced but a game time decision will be made when there is a new OS
Maddog says to :wonder how that sims out
shoe66 says to :"Nice" wasn't in the job description.
SmokinBats says to :one question that I saw that was interesting-will the pc revenues go to support the pc side of the house? People were afraid that it'd go towards the online side of the house
Possums says to :I would think its just one big house
Maddog says to :Money from either side should help the other, I would think
KHitt71 says to :Will you allow this forum to stay?
Dayne Myers says to :That depends.
Possums says to :even after tomorrow and the doomsday supporters go nuts?
Dayne Myers says to :We're not going to pay for a forum that is nothing more than a venue for attack. Would you?
hqtrem says to :nope
SmokinBats says to :no way
NumberOneDMBFan says to :IMO, this forum should be pulled under a larger IS umbrella.
KHitt71 says to :Ok... if you merge the two can you get the IS forum to look legit, it kinda sucks.. sorry
Sphexi28 says to :ugh, I hate the IS forum layout
Dayne Myers says to :I'd like to do that, but I'm not going to contaminate the online game with what's been happening here.
Possums says to :I think Dayne was compared to the devil recently
KHitt71 says to :PHPBB 3.0 is better than IS
Dayne Myers says to :yes, I know
Dayne Myers says to :We're looking into a bunch of things.
KHitt71 says to :if you need a PHP guy, I am it. customize graphics all that
Dayne Myers says to :ok, great to have a volunteer!
FightingGeckos says to :well the 82 guys I play in DMB leagues thought someone was the devil after the announcement lol
Dayne Myers says to :ok, gents. I think we should continue this tomorrow evening.
jakobscalpel says to :Just enjoy being a martyr
Sphexi28 says to :but it's for a good cause
Maddog says to :as long as I, and my league can get season disks, and there is an effort to move this game forward I am pretty content, whether that be online or stand-alone
NumberOneDMBFan says to :The "Financially Viable" clause really has people reading between the lines.
SmokinBats says to :yeah I agree
Possums says to :I think there is some selective reading going on in the PC forum, that's for sure.
jakobscalpel says to :Dayne, can we chat about community involvement tomorrow?
Possums says to :good point #1
Dayne Myers says to :yes, we are going to talk about community involvement. Luke and I have already been chatting about it.
Maddog says to :and I have to concur that the "financially viable" has scared a lot of people in the leagues I am in. I think you would be amazed at how many hits your competitors sites have gotten this weekend
Dayne Myers says to :Here's the thing. I wanted to do that from the start.
NumberOneDMBFan says to :Thanks for the Chat, Dayne.
KHitt71 says to :All my posts have been in an honest attempt to show why we are fighting, nothing more
Dayne Myers says to :But Tom frowned upon it... said it would be too problematic.
jakobscalpel says to :that is often the case
KHitt71 says to :I haven't called Dayne names or otherwise
Dayne Myers says to :We'll revisit with you.
jakobscalpel says to :sounds good
shoe66 says to :[ bus rolling over Tom ]
Dayne Myers says to :No promises, but we'll certainly try.
jakobscalpel says to :I'm sure we can figure something out.
Dayne Myers says to :My last company build its whole product around open source. So, I know the power.
Dayne Myers says to :Well, we'll see where it goes from here.
Possums says to :wait till people start paraphrasing this tomorrow. ought to be an interesting day in the forum
KHitt71 says:this is going beyond these walls. This is going beyond these walls for sure
Maddog says to :Well some of us, or you, should possibly take the initiative to quell some of the hatred... It is really getting us no where. And is chasing away the ones we need answers from
KHitt71 says to :This is a great story... some people are already jumping up and advertising new games...
Maddog says to :But that is good, KHitt, competition is good.
Possums says to :any of them named Koch?
jakobscalpel says to :that will settle down in a few days after people realize the sky hasn't fallen
NumberOneDMBFan says to :Hope so Jak. That things will settle down, that is.
SmokinBats says to :I think once the CPS disks come rolling out things might change somewhat
KHitt71 says to :I truly only wanted to facilitate the arguments and get to the truth of what really matter the game and the pleasure it gives to its players
Possums says to :many of the most vocal posters will not be happy no matter what.
Maddog says to :But new CPS will keep them busy...since most seem to be replayers
Possums says to :half are yelling for one era, the other half for a different one.
Maddog says to :well once one comes out...at least the others know they are closer than they were
NumberOneDMBFan says to :I think things will settle down. As someone noted, once it is clear that V9 is getting support
Maddog says to :just the nature of our society now...we all feel we are owed something
KHitt71 says to :The bottom line is to be forthright.... do what you say you are going to do... even if it isn't a lot at the time..... people will respect that
jakobscalpel says to :Yes. Although I didn't like the way the announcement was handled necessarily, I admire his cojones to step into the wolf's den like that. Very good to see
shoe66 says to :I think we all need to move along, that there's nothing more to see here, folks (as the EMS people wash away the blood)
SmokinBats says to :yeah.... it was like the spectacular 20 car Nascar pileup, lets move on
jakobscalpel says to :Luke, can you chat about the community involvement options, or would it be better to wait until tomorrow. Dayne said he and you had some discussions...
Sphexi28 says to :yes, it will be interesting to see whether community involvement is simply information gathering and project planning or development in some way
dmbluke says to :I think that's something better scheduled - but we haven't chatted much about it. Dayne's not technical so we can't go very deep
jakobscalpel says to :ok. I suspected that. Would love to chat with you sometime though. I think we could pull together some pretty talented people.